Sacrificing Our Children on the Altar of Covid Fear
Sacrificing Our Children on the
Altar of Covid Fear
by Gershon Distenfeld
Preamble: I sent an early draft of this OpEd to the Jewish Link of New
Jersey last week as I've published there several times before and they
indicated a strong interest in publishing it. Over the course of the next few
days, I shared the draft with a few people for feedback to sharpen my thinking.
One of these people asked if they could share my draft with a Rabbi in the
community who had a differing view. I agreed since I always welcome different
perspectives and was eager to hear counterpoints. Unfortunately, instead of
engaging with me on what I wrote, this Rabbi went straight to the paper and
lobbied hard to have my views suppressed. He also apparently shared my draft
with other members of the RCBC (Rabbinical Council of Bergen County) and word
soon made its way to several Heads of School of Bergen County Yeshivot. In
total, my contacts at the paper inform me that at least 8 community leaders
(Rabbis, School Principals, School Presidents) contacted the paper urging them
not to print my OpEd.
Sadly, the pressure was too much for the Link and I was informed by the
publisher on Tuesday that they were caving and would not be printing my piece.
Cancel culture is alive and well in the Jewish Bergen County community! I
obviously believe that the paper made the wrong decision here and am even more
disturbed to infer that said leaders deem their position so weak as to not
withstand dissent. The editor even offered to allow them to print a rebuttal
side by side with my piece and they refused to do so.
I feel it is so important that this piece be distributed far and wide.
What is going on in the name of "protecting our children" is in
reality doing immense damage to them and our leaders don't want it brought to
light. Even if you don't agree with all the points I make, please forward this
far and wide. Post it on all of your social media platforms. The only way
things will change is if people put pressure on our leadership to change
course. For the sake of our children, we must press this issue! Thank you. Also
please feel free to comment below. I will do my best to address any questions.
I've been thinking about
writing this for weeks and have decided that now is the most pressing time to
publish my thoughts. I pen these words on the night before Yom Kippur, as cases
of Covid-19 have once again started to spike in our community. While we have
yet to see an uptick in hospitalizations, when looking across the river at
what's going on in NYC, it would be logical to conclude that the probability of
that occurring here too in the coming days and weeks is high.
Thus, it might seem odd that
I'm going to address this issue now, at a time when our community is on edge,
fearful, and with many in quarantine. However, it is precisely at this point,
when our natural instinct is going to be to double down on restrictions, that
we have to not only resist that urge when it comes to our children, but we have
to actually loosen the shackles we have put on them to let them live as close
to their normal lives as possible.
I want to state at the
outset that Covid-19 is very serious. It has taken the lives of many, caused
serious illness, economic hardship and a host of other maladies. It is still
with us and will likely remain in our midst for a very long time. But we also
must be honest about the science and the facts. This disease discriminates in a
big way. We don't necessarily understand why, but the virus appears to be
relatively harmless to our youth.
Hashem has sent mankind many
plagues in the course of history. While each had its own idiosyncrasies, it's
hard to find one that didn't impact children. The Black Death of the 14th
century claimed the lives of tens of millions of children worldwide. The
Spanish Flu of the early 20th century resulted in the tragic death of a few
million adolescents and tens of millions of men & women aged 20-40.
Interestingly, the elderly were largely spared.
Covid-19 by contrast has
seen virtually no child fatalities worldwide and a miniscule amount of serious
illness. Just last week, the CDC released numbers showing that Covid is far
less harmful to children than the seasonal flu. Hashem in his infinite
kindness, has sent us a plague that is virtually harmless to our youth. Again,
we should not for a moment downplay the seriousness of this virus to our
elderly and vulnerable populations but we should be in awe of the fact that for
the first time in recorded history, we have a "plague" in our midst
from which children have largely been spared.
Yet, we have taken that very
gift that Hashem has given us - and although well-meaning in our efforts - we
are the ones "killing" the kids. We are uprooting their lives for
absolutely no reason. For something that isn't a significant threat to them. We
are damaging their emotional, psychological and educational well-being in the
here and now. And the longer we operate in this fashion, the greater the impact
will be longer-term. This Yom Kippur so many of our teffilot will be regarding
Covid as we plea for an end to the suffering. But Yom Kippur does not atone for
sins between man and man and what we have been doing to our children is almost
entirely self-inflicted.
To be clear, I don't assign
any nefarious motives to any of the players here. The Rabbis, educators,
doctors, lay leaders, etc all want what's best for our children. But good
intentions are not enough. History is filled with examples of well-intentioned
leadership making tragic mistakes. I believe that we are in the midst of one
currently and it is imperative that we reverse course without delay.
Let's begin by discussing
the culture of fear we've created in many of our schools. Select teachers and
administrators have become “Covid police”. Kids get yelled at if their mask
slips off their nose. Children are told that they must sit at their desk
quietly while they eat their lunch because it's too dangerous to talk without a
mask. Adolescents report they are afraid to go to school because they get
barked at about slight social distancing violations. Children are sent home for
a runny nose being told they are a danger to everyone else. Students are told
that if they don't follow all the rules, they are a "rodef" and then
confess to their parents that they are afraid that they will be murderers and
Hashem will never forgive them. My personal favorite; a 4 year old girl was
sent home for taking too long in the bathroom as she was suspected of having
diarrhea. Never mind that the child said that she didn't; she was still
required to obtain a PCR test to ensure she wasn’t a public health risk.
Then there are the knock-on effects
in the community. Families are told that they can't dine together. Children are
told that they can't play together. So is it surprising that people who live
alone were disinvited from meals over Rosh Hashana and literally in tears over
it? Is it surprising that many children were depressed over Yom Tov, sulking in
their rooms having had play dates cancelled by well-meaning parents who were
just trying to "follow the rules"? Are these Torah values?
Ah, but you say, this is all
sad but it's necessary! Our doctors have told us that we need to take these
precautions. We need to "err on the side of caution".
The problem is not that the
doctors are "wrong". They are well-meaning and many believe that it
is their responsibility to advise of worst-case scenarios. But it is the
responsibility of people in leadership positions (Rabbis, heads of schools, lay
leaders) to weigh downside risks against the severe consequences of taking
certain actions to address those risks. And this is where our leadership has abdicated
their responsibility to make these judgements by letting doctors make the final
call. It is a common mistake to assume that expertise renders someone fit to
make public policy decisions. The President of the United States is the
commander in chief of our armed forces whether or not he has any military
experience. The same is true here. Leadership entails soliciting input from
various fields, evaluating the pros/cons/tradeoffs of potential options and
rendering a decision that produces the best (or sometimes "least of all
evils") risk/reward path forward.
Our Rabbinic and educational
leaders must stop making decisions based on fear and instead confront the facts
and assess the overall picture. How many children have died of Covid worldwide?
Virtually zero. How many have been hospitalized? Negligible. The ones testing
positive in our community are asymptomatic or have minimal symptoms. How about
the teachers? Same thing. Most go home and teach their classes on zoom the next
day. The odds of a child who is asymptomatic passing on the virus is low even
if he/she later tests positive. Not surprisingly, every single legitimate study
from around the world has shown that schools are not significant vectors of
transmission for this virus.
The consequences of our
actions are great. Psychologists will testify that anxiety, mood disorders and
depression are way up. Alcohol and substance abuse have increased
significantly. Mental health professionals are now concerned that the longer
this goes on, the greater the longer-term effects will be on our teens' ability
to form healthy relationships later in life. And finally, the thing nobody
wants to talk about but it doesn't make it any less of a threat. Many now
believe that a suicide is likely not a question of if, but when and how soon.
The phrase that gets me
worked up more than anything is "In an abundance of caution...".
First because of what I wrote above, it's not costless. Being cautious has a
price. In this case a huge one. We are literally sacrificing our kids for
something that poses very little risk to them. But even more basically, we just
don't practice this level of extreme caution in any other area of our lives. By
the same logic, we should ban driving. Most people arrive safely at their
destinations, but over 35,000 Americans die on our roads every year. That's 100
a day. Out of an abundance of caution, let's ban all cars. Or if you don't want
to go that far, reduce the speed limit to 35 MPH on highways. Study after study
has shown that a reduction in speed limits reduces automobile fatalities.
Yes, if we lowered the speed
limit to 35 mph, many fewer people would die on our roadways. But at what cost?
People certainly would be less likely to travel long distances and would visit
friends and relatives who didn't live close by less often. Economic growth
would suffer. But by the prevailing logic around Covid, wouldn't that all be
worth it to save lives? I hope everyone can see the fallacy in this. As a
society, we are constantly balancing the benefits vs the risk of everyday
activities. Statistically speaking, your child is more likely to die on the way
to school in a car than he/she is to die from Covid. We all have no problem
getting in our cars every morning, yet we have turned our kids' lives upside
down for Covid. This is irrational fear, not balanced rational thinking.
Then there's the blatant
hypocrisy in the standards we have set for quarantining our children vs adults.
The CDC's guidelines for requiring quarantine are ambiguous and open to much
interpretation. Yet for adults, we find leniencies and for children we find
stringencies, exactly the opposite of the way it should be given how the virus
is exponentially more dangerous to older people!
The CDC has set up
guidelines for when quarantine is recommended - 15 minutes of "close
contact" with someone who has the virus, while recognizing that there is a
huge difference between someone who is symptomatic and someone who is
asymptomatic. We have set up our schools where everyone in the building is masked,
socially distant and Plexiglas is everywhere. Yet, the second someone tests
positive, we have often been quarantining entire classes, despite a very remote
chance of actual spread. Let's contrast that to the many situations where
adults have found to have tested positive in a Shul. No automatic quarantine.
Adults have been exposed in supermarkets that are wide open. Again, we don't
find ourselves bending over backwards to find ways to restrict adults. It's
almost as if our community policies are designed to purposely torture the
children. Of course that's not anyone's intention, but for the sake of our
children, can we please change course here?
The joint medical committee
that the schools have set up certainly mean well but they are taking a uniform
approach in being "machmir" at the expense of our children. In
addition, the evidence for transmission between elementary school aged children
to adults is weak and suspect. Anecdotally, physicians report that they have
not seen much in the way of transmission from young children to parents. So by
what right do we have to tell a whole group of children to quarantine for 14
days based on a single positive case in their cohort? What's the likelihood of
transmission to a child at the back of the classroom, behind plexiglass, with
the teacher behind plexiglass and everyone being masked? I can guarantee you
it's far LESS risky than your average adult taking a trip to their local
supermarket which we do all the time! Out of an "abundance of caution"
that we don't needlessly quarantine a single child (which mental health experts
tell us can cause psychological damage), let us be certain that the evidence is
overwhelming that it's a real necessity, a standard that has not been met in
the overwhelming majority of cases thus far.
And has anyone given any
thought as to how we get out of this? What scenarios need to be met for life to
go back to normal for our children? Nobody will say. A vaccine? We've had a flu
vaccine for decades and 35,000 people on average still die every year from the
flu in the US. Besides, I certainly am not letting my children take an unproven
vaccine for a virus that poses almost no danger to them! And any rational
parent should refuse to do so as well. Comparisons to the measles are
inappropriate since measles can harm or even result in the death of a child.
Covid on the other hand poses virtually no risk to children. So has any thought
been given to the future? Are we going to torture kids like this forever? The
seasonal flu is way more dangerous to kids than Covid and we do none of this
for the flu. We have now set a standard that will be near impossible to walk
back.
Covid is here with us to
stay. Just like the flu and many diseases before and after it. We can't
eliminate all risk. We have always adapted to new illnesses and we must now
learn to live with this one. The truth as we are painfully aware is that the
virus will continue to spread. Unfortunately, some people will likely continue
to get sick from it and there will probably be more fatalities. Just like more
people will die from the flu, from cancer, from heart disease and from many
other causes. If anyone has a problem with that, please take it up with Hashem.
So what am I advocating for?
What do we need to do differently? First of all, we need to stop the "one
size fits all" approach. We religious Jews should appreciate this more
than most. We believe that different groups have different roles and
responsibilities in life. Men and women. Kohanim and Yisraelim. And in the case
of Covid, children vs the elderly. Is it fair? Absolutely not. Life isn't fair.
But the elderly need to be more cautious. They shouldn't be attending indoor
minyanim or any large indoor gathering. They should be very cautious before
leaving their homes. They should be extra diligent around social distancing and
masking and with the advice of their doctors, perhaps taking other precautions.
But our children need to
live. Our children don't need to suffer just so that everybody can be on a
level playing field. Our government and politicians are already imposing overly
draconian standards on our children, and we are going way above and beyond what
they are requiring. The forced quarantining of our children just has to end. Contrary to what some may believe, in almost all cases,
they are not being required by the DOH. Let our children be children. They need
to socialize more than anything. Better to not have opened schools in person
until after Yom Tov than to restrict our kids from gathering on 14 of the 22 days
school is not in session around the Yomim Tovim.
We do have teachers in our schools
who are considered elderly, medically compromised or who are just outright
scared. Despite the evidence that the risk of contracting Covid in schools is
quite low, they should be given the option of either taking extra personal
precautions while teaching or to teach remotely via zoom. We can not allow
those individuals to dictate the entire landscape for our children.
There is a certain arrogance
to the thinking that us mere mortals can control the spread of this virus. It
is classic "kochei v'otzem Yadi". No amount of scaring kids, making
them stay apart from their friends, convincing them that pulling down their
masks makes them murderers or many of the other crazy things we are putting in
their heads will impact the spread of the virus one iota. All it will do is
continue to hurt our children. And that is what I am asking - more like pleading
- our leadership to put a stop to.
Unfortunately, there is the
very real possibility that the state will end up closing our schools at some
point. This will test our leadership once again. Will we double down and scare
our children? Will we prevent them from getting together with friends? Or will
we do the rational thing, the path that is supported by actual science? Protect
the elderly. Protect the medically compromised. And let our children live. Let
them gather together for zoom classes. Let them have birthday parties. Let them
socialize on Shabbat.
There needs to be an
immediate wholesale change in attitude. One that prioritizes the emotional and
psychological well-being of our precious children above the virtually
non-existent physical threat to them from this virus. If we want to use
"an abundance of caution", it shouldn't be for chumrahs on preventing
them from catching the virus but on kullahs to prevent further damage to their
emotional and social well-being. For example, wouldn't it be great if instead
of the "fear" letters we've become accustomed to, the RCBC and/or the
Heads of School sent out the following communication over Chol Hamoed: "In
an abundance of caution to ensure that our children have true simchas Yom Tov,
we are going to create for our children regular Simchat Torah programming. We
know that asymptomatic children have very low odds of passing on the virus, so we
are recommending that as long as a child/teen is not showing any symptoms of
illness, they be allowed to socialize with other children over Yom Tov as per
normal".
I would be remiss if I
didn't address one related issue. The lashon Hara in the community just has to
stop. There should be ZERO tolerance for the public shaming of any family that
doesn't adhere to the strict subset of rules that some would like to impose on
all. Whatsapp groups and Facebook pages are filled with people calling out
families by name for having meals with people they feel aren't up to their own
personal Covid "chumrahs" or davening in minyanim they don't approve
of. Pleas to have others e-mail their schools to ask that certain kids get
kicked out of school for violating rules are rampant (and people are actually
following through). There's a lot more. It's classic mesirah, it's vile and
it's tearing our community apart. Rabbis need to publicly and clearly call out
this unacceptable and anti-Torah behavior.
Why did I write this? Over
the past few weeks I've spoken to numerous Rabbis, educators, doctors, lay
leaders and parents. So many people agree with most or all of what I've written
here. But they are afraid to speak up. I honestly believe that this
"silent majority" is in fact the majority. So why are they silent?
There is a very vocal minority who are instilling fear, who are loud and who are
very quick to accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being reckless with
human life or worse. It's very hard to silence a "mob", especially
when most politicians and the media are in lockstep with them. I don't know if
I will succeed, but I write this in the hope that it will embolden those in
positions of leadership to speak out and to pressure others to do so. Because
nothing less than our children's future is at stake here.
If we don't change course
soon and quickly, history will not judge this time period favorably. It is the
natural way of the world that parents will do literally anything for their
children. The past is filled with examples of parents and grandparents
sacrificing unimaginably for the next generation. And here we see the exact
opposite. Fear is reigning supreme and it is causing people who are normally
quite clear thinking to go 180 degrees against the teva that Hashem created.
It's sad, depressing and my tefiilos this Yom Kippur will be that Hashem grants
wisdom to our leadership to open their eyes, see the harm they have inadvertently
been causing our children and reverse course as quickly as possible.
Gershon Distenfeld resides in Bergenfield, NJ. The opinions expressed herein are his own and not reflective of any organization with which he is associated. The author can be reached at gershon.distenfeld@gmail.com
[citation needed] for much of the "harmless to kids" claims. But, even if I accept that premise, children go home to live with their adult parents. The concern isn't "killing kids" per se, it's "let's not have the kids kill their parents".
ReplyDeleteBabies have killed moms in child birth forever yet you’re still here.
ReplyDeleteGreat read. Thank you
ReplyDeleteI can't agree with your premise that children do not transmit to parents.
ReplyDelete1) I didn’t say that there was ZERO risk - I said it was low.
ReplyDelete2) I didn’t have space to elaborate but the key is that asymptomatic spread is VERY low even if a child later tests positive. So the prudent thing for a parent to do if a child starts to have symptoms is to take proper precautions. I’m not G-d forbid advocating that we throw away common sense.
3) You can disagree all you want that the sky is blue, it doesn’t make it so. Numerous studies have shown that transmission from kids to adults is low and anecdotal accounts from doctors in our community confirms it.
1) "virtually harmless to our youth" is a direct quote. Still [citation needed]
Delete2) [citation needed]
3) Anecdotal accounts, again [citation needed].
Your entire argument hinges on this unsupported assumption. Here are several papers that indicate that children's role in transmission should not be ignored:
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(20)31023-4/fulltext
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Pavlos_Bobos/publication/344097917_The_Role_of_Children_in_SARS-CoV-2_Transmission/links/5f51ffbfa6fdcc9879ca00be/The-Role-of-Children-in-SARS-CoV-2-Transmission.pdf
Here's a plain-English summary of that first paper: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/08/looking-at-children-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/
That said, the literature still shows some conflicting results (see, for example, https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.36.2001587?crawler=true#html_fulltext)
All this to say, the basic assumption of your argument that the risk is low (i.e., "virtually harmless") is likely faulty. So, you can claim all you want that the sky is green, but that doesn't make it so.
I’m not going to have time to back and forth with you all day. There is not a single documented case in the entire world of a teacher catching Covid from a student. Not ONE!. As for what parents should do about their risk, I addressed that.
Deletehttps://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937e3.htm?s_cid=mm6937e3_w
Delete"Twelve children acquired COVID-19 in child care facilities. Transmission was documented from these children to at least 12 (26%) of 46 nonfacility contacts (confirmed or probable cases). One parent was hospitalized. Transmission was observed from two of three children with confirmed, asymptomatic COVID-19."
"SARS-CoV-2 Infections among young children acquired in child care settings were transmitted to their household members."
https://dontforgetthebubbles.com/evidence-summary-paediatric-covid-19-literature/
DeleteGood article. It's a shame that this has gone on as long at it has. And the cost of Jewish children not being connected to the Jewish community / shul / etc is high as well.
ReplyDeleteThank you for putting this into words. I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve had this EXACT same conversation with people. The amount of damage being done to our children’s mental health far outweighs the health risk. We need to learn how to LIVE with this, because it’s not going anywhere anytime soon.
ReplyDeleteThank you for so eloquently expressing what so many of us are thinking.
ReplyDeleteGreat minds!
DeleteThank you for “bravely“ and So eloquently stating everything so many of us are feeling
ReplyDeleteThe notion that leaders should ignore the advice of the medical community goes against our tradition. And it's just plain dangerous (likely why so many Talmudic sages advocated for following medical advice).
ReplyDeleteAnd, as others have pointed out, we don't know that elementary age children do not spread Covid-19 to adults. It makes sense that they would harbor fewer molecules of the virus, and expel fewer when breathing and talking, thereby decreasing the chances of spreading it to others. But if they have the virus, it's hard to imagine they can't spread it.
Whether the risk of them spreading is worth the consequences is a valid discussion. But that's not how you framed it. And the line of how old one has to be to start being concerned (teenagers certainly do spread it) is fuzzy, and there will not be strict adherence to any line drawn.
As far as how people have acted and reacted, add it to the list of things humans do that are inexcusable. Unfortunate, but not a reason to set policy.
The Link was justified in not printing it. And as much as I agree with you about the impact the fear-mongering, if you are wrong about the ability of children to spread the virus to adults, and your piece leads to an increased laxity in how our children interact with others, you will share some responsibility for the consequences.
These are not easy times. But caution, even an abundance of caution, is necessary. It is up to us, as parents, to find a way to provide a healthy social atmosphere for our children (it can be done) while keeping them, and the entire community, safe.
A very reasonable position. So just to be consistent, I would expect you to give up driving. You can't possibly guarantee the safety of you or your passengers or others you encounter on the road.
DeleteThis automobile analogy is faulty. Yes, there's an inherent risk in driving. But an accident will not cause the domino like infection that a pandemic does. The damage of transmission is exponential.
DeleteEpidemiologists don't say that we shouldn't drive. They say we shouldn't drive drunk, that we shouldn't speed, that we should use seat belts.
DeleteEpidemiologists also say we shouldn't drive in a snowstorm or during other dangerous conditions. Only essential personnel should be on the road then.
DeleteAbout time somebody said something. Bravo.
ReplyDeleteOur schools are doing their utmost to keep our children and community safe and to continue to deliver quality in-person education. This includes countless hours of planning by the administration, faculty, and volunteer lay leadership, significant financial expenditures, and training and education of our staff. But this is all dependent on partnership with YOU. We understand that you’re “tired of the restrictions”, you’ve “had enough of COVID”, and that you feel it’s just “time to move on”. “Young, healthy children and adults don’t get severe illness”, “the death rate is only 1%”, and “it’s just a bad flu”. What about those children or staff who have underlying diseases or live with parents or siblings who are immunosuppressed or suffer from chronic illness that puts them at high-risk of complications? Even if the fatality rate is as low as you claim, whose life - or lives - in our community are you willing to sacrifice just because you “have to spend Sukkos with my nieces and nephews”? And even if it is only a bad flu, what right does anyone have to subject their friends and neighbors to a 14-day pause on their career, education, and life? Not to mention those young, healthy children who develop serious complications such as MIS-C, or adults who develop chronic sequelae after infection! Your actions do not exist in a vacuum; each one of us is responsible for everyone around us. There is no greater example of Kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh. Our collective lives are literally in your hands.
ReplyDeleteYou missed the entire point of my piece. Nothing I am suggesting will put anyone at any further risk, not will it correlate with the schools staying open, the biggest threat to which is Murphy shutting them down.
DeleteCovid has now become the God of our community. Your words need to be read by all. The other side needs to be heard. Those who agree with your point of view are being gaslighted into silence — we are made to feel selfish for not caring about others. My home has been open to my brave friends for shabbos and holiday meals for a little while now, and it feels so good to once again be together with those we love. Although, it is very hard to find the brave ones, as we are all now afraid of one another.... thank you thank you thank you for sharing this piece.
ReplyDeleteHere are some links for those who are interested...
ReplyDeleteAUSTRALIA
Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Australian educational settings: a prospective cohort study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(20)30251-0/fulltext (The Lancet, August 20)
“This is the first comprehensive population-based assessment of SARS-CoV-2 transmission among children and adults in educational facilities. Our results show that where effective case-contact testing and epidemic control strategies exist for the population, children and teachers did not contribute significantly to COVID-19 transmission via attendance in educational settings.”
SWITZERLAND
COVID-19 in Children and the Dynamics of Infection in Families
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e20201576 (Pediatrics, August 2020)
“Since the onset of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic, children have been less affected than adults in terms of severity1–3 and frequency, accounting for <2% of the cases.2–5 Unlike with other viral respiratory infections, children do not seem to be a major vector of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission, with most pediatric cases described inside familial clusters6 and no documentation of child-to-child or child-to-adult transmission.7,8 “
VARIOUS COUNTRIES
Covid-19 Transmission and Children: The Child is Not to Blame
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/05/22/peds.2020-004879.full.pdf (Pediatrics)
“These data all suggest that children are not significant drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic.”
GREECE
Transmission Dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 within families with children in Greece: A study of 23 clusters
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.26394 (Journal of Medical Virology, August 2020)
“While children become infected by SARS‐CoV‐2, they do not appear to transmit infection to others.”
UNITED KINGDOM
School closures “a mistake” as no teachers infected in the classroom
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/school-closures-a-mistake-as-no-teachers-infected-in-classroom-gpppq8r7k (The Times, July 2020)
“Professor Woolhouse, a member of the UK government’s scientific advisory group, Sage, said that in hindsight closing schools in March was probably a mistake, but the limited role children play in spreading the virus only became clear further along the infection curve.”
FINLAND AND SWEDEN
Covid-19 in schoolchildren – A comparison between Finland and Sweden
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/c/covid-19-in-schoolchildren/ (Foldhalsomyndigheten)
“In conclusion, closure or not of schools has had little if any impact on the number of laboratory confirmed cases in school aged children in Finland and Sweden.”
GERMANY
Anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies in adolescent students and their teachers in Saxony, Germany (SchoolCoviDD19): very low seropraevalence and transmission rates
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.16.20155143v3 (MedRxiv, July 2020)
“Students and teachers do not play a crucial role in driving the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic in a low prevalence setting.”
JAPAN
Was school closure effective in mitigating coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)? Time series analysis using Bayesian inference
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220305981 (International Journal of Infectious Diseases, July 2020)
“School closure carried out in Japan did not show any mitigating effect on the transmission of novel coronavirus infection.”
Gershon, beautiful article. Keep writing it and submitting it. Eventually you will win because you are correct.
DeleteI get tested for COVID-19 at work every week and I have to fill out a mandatory survey about my family and any possible contact with an infected person. If I test positive or even answer one of the questions in the affirmative, I am out of a job for a minimum of three weeks, all without pay. I take every precaution possible by not going to stores, restaurants or indoor minyanim, and I try to work alone in my office with the door closed and nobody else within 10 feet. My fear is not that I will get terribly sick if I contact covid from my school-age children, but that even if I get a mild asymptomatic case, I will lose all parnassah for an extended period of time. It bothers me that my kids are going through what they're going through, and I agree that the restrictions are over the top, but until the lefties in charge of our state governments ease up on their ridiculous rules, we have to worry about merely contracting the virus, regardless of whether or not the outcome is morbid.
ReplyDeleteWhy does your employer require a three week absence from work if you test positive?
Delete14 day quarantine followed by 3 straight negative tests before I can go back.
DeleteWe have seatbelts and airbags and speed limits but we still drive. We have food labels and warnings but we still eat. We have dress codes, age limits, height limits and all sorts of other codes, but we live our lives. We are not without controls on how we act in order to forestall or avoid harm to ourselves and others. We don't wait until someone has already gotten hurt (or if we do, we feel bad about that) before we control how we can be. But we don't outlaw the behavior -- the abundance of caution is preventative and done by ignoring the statistics and worrying about the individual. How many people died when swimming pools got hit by lightning before it was decided to get out at the first rumble, compared to how many didn't die? I bet the rate was low, but now, we run out just in case. Unfair? Or smart? For years we have pointed to Arab apologists who complain that Israeli response to rockets is unnecessary because "no one died from the rockets Gaza fired" and said "does someone have to die before we are allowed to respond?" Well, do we have to wait until someone dies before we react strongly now?
ReplyDeleteShould we abandon out collective care and take our cues from communities that don't mask, or still engage in throwing big simchas? I mean, what's a little sickness among friends. No one I know is immuno-compromised. I mean, someone might be, but hasn't said anything, so why should I worry, right? And since no teacher has gotten sick from a student (those who have, were clearly infected by non-students, no doubt), no teacher ever will, and miss school, and sacrifice a student's education so that students can sit on each others' laps.
Was there always this right to social closeness? With the internet and such, is a student as alone as one was 100 years ago, walking home and being cut off until the next day? Maybe this IS from Hashem, but is a reminder that we need to refocus on family and follow local law when it doesn't conflict with halacha. Maybe our local leaders ARE listening to science and medical advice and recognizing that since what we know is still developing, we should be more careful rather than less. Are our children worth less than that? How depressed are the children whose parents died? Whose teachers had to stop teaching? Whose friends ended up in the hospital? Or are there just not enough cases to matter
This screed is a collection of complaints which disregard common sense and endorse risks that simply aren't good choices.
Agree. It’s making the rounds of the anti masking community of Jews now too.
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ReplyDeleteHere is a slightly different take from a month later than what you posted.
Deletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/20/children-coronavirus-spread-transmission/
It is almost like we can't be sure. We should probably not be careful then.
More fun for the folks who love competing studies
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DeleteI must have misread the article. It reads
Delete"While there’s limited information regarding children younger than 10, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on September 18 indicating that younger children can transmit the virus to adults as well.
The report cited one case in which an 8-month-old child transmitted the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, to both parents."
And the line "Transmission, either confirmed or probable, was shown to have occurred to 46 people outside of the facilities, including one parent who had to be hospitalized.
Also, two children who had confirmed COVID-19 but were asymptomatic were shown to have transmitted the disease to adults."
I hope you can see how I might have been confused.
Bottom line, you should have quoted MDs in this article.
ReplyDeleteI understand your frustrations and truly empathize .
ReplyDeleteDo you realize your opinion is not supported by the CDC?
In this ever changing COvID world how can you state”‘nothing I am suggestion will put anyone at any further risk”....!
Your taking on a big responsibility!
Please don’t empower people to start breaking rules.
Your children will thrive with the attention, support and love they receive from their family!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I wholeheartedly agree that our children's lives (emotionally and developmentally) are at great risk from the disruption in schooling and healthy association with their peers. I believe that rather than debating the proportion of risk to children and the degree of transmission of the virus via children, we should focus on the value we place on our children's immersion in a yeshiva and healthy social setting. I have been wondering if anyone has asked the elderly and vulnerable population if they would rather assume some risk for themselves so that our children are not exposed to the possible long-term negative effects of having turned their lives upside down and if they believe the value of yeshiva education is important enough that we don't sacrifice our children. Speaking for myself (I am over 60), please let's not sacrifice the children!
ReplyDeleteNo one has to be sacrificed! It is so frustrating seeing people treat this in such a black and white way. Yes, people are being sacrificed in America right now because the government has completely botched the response from end to end. Comparing us to most other developed nations, we did not have to get to 200,000+ dead. Israel freaked out that it was passing 1k dead. We're not 200 times the population of Israel. New Zealand eradicated it for a while. If all levels of government had worked together to give an organized, coordinated, and consistent response instead of grandstanding and spreading misinformation, we all could have gotten through this fairly easily compared to what we've actually suffered. Lockdown was never supposed to be this long! If people had followed the rules, if we were smart about where and when we implemented those rules, we could have prevented so much death. We still can change course and stop this reckless wholesale murder of citizens by our government. But this is not the way.
DeleteSeriously? 1)Israel locked down initially and they are catching up fast 2) Israel didn't have 2-3mm people coming into NY from Europe at the height of the virus into a crowded city. Apples and oranges.
DeleteAnd hate to break your bubble - but we now have data from over 100 countries with varying approaches to shutdowns, masks, social distancing and a host of other policies. There is almost no statistical difference in ultimate outcomes. So yes, it's hubris to think that we have much control.
No statistical differences in outcomes? Maybe among *them,* but the US accounts for 4% of the world's population and 25% of the world's deaths from Covid. Obviously we're doing something wrong. Unless you're telling me that you think the most powerful people in the world control the media and information and hide and manipulate the truth, but you're able to find out about their master plan on YouTube? That 99% of the doctors, 99% of the epidemiologists, 99% of the nurses, 99% of the scientists, 99% of the public health experts, 99% of the journalists, are all working together to oppress you and that it's yoga teachers and nutritionists who really found out the truth and conveniently have a nutritional supplement to sell you to boost your immune system? This is just another incarnation of the anti-vaxx belief system that everyone is out to get you, no one can be trusted except that guy on YouTube. Qui bono? Who benefits? You can call out Big Pharma for being corrupt while also believing they sell Tylenol, vaccines, and insulin because they work and people need them. Opioids are a great medical invention for those who need it, even if they oversold it corruptly. Life is not a cosmic battle between good and evil with no gray; that is an evangelical Christian idea, not a Jewish one. Jews live in the gray areas, that's the Talmud.
Delete"There is a certain arrogance to the thinking that us mere mortals can control the spread of this virus." BS. The death rate doesn't have to be what it is here. Israel freaked out that it was going to break 1k deaths, and I wanted to cry with anger. We don't have 200x the population of Israel. Yes there will be death, but so many countries have shown that's not a given. And our federal government failed to take coordinated, organized, and consistent action to stop it. This is literally what John Locke was talking about with the social contract. Our. Actions. Matter. Stop giving up and saying "well, let the vulnerable fend for themselves and let the rest of us get back to living."
ReplyDeleteHave you seen all the conditions that make someone high risk? Obesity is a big one. Medically "obese" can look a lot smaller than you'd think. How many people in our communities have diabetes or genetic disorders or autoimmune diseases? You keep making this sound like a black and white issue of children v. elderly, and that's just not the case. It's a whole lot of people who don't deserve to be treated as an albatross on society, and can still catch Covid from those kids. Because the studies are definitely there. It seems ironic that you somehow missed the fact that Israel's school openings was linked to the current surges in cases. You cited many countries in the comments above, but not Israel, the foreign country many of us are most familiar with?
Kids are resilient. And it's a parents' job to teach them to be resilient and creative, instead of moping about how awful things are. Just as we talk about not complaining about teachers and school rules in front of our kids, maybe we shouldn't be complaining about these restrictions in front of them either because these are school rules too. "Standing back here is how we take care of our neighbors" is not a herculean ask for even my 2yo and 4yo. Until recently, children never lived such a carefree life with so little sacrifice. Because of vaccines, almost none of them have siblings who die in childhood. They don't work in dangerous unregulated factories from the age of 6 anymore, much less on the family farm where serious injuries were common. The kids who were evacuated from London during the Raids were emotionally harmed, definitely, but they turned into stable adults. Children of the Holocaust, we have stacks of studies. And this is not nearly to those levels.
Death and the disability of long-haulers is a very serious problem, and no kid should have to live with wondering whether it was their "fault" their parent or grandparent died or became disabled. That would be far more emotionally damaging, in my opinion. The only valid point you make as far as I can tell is that we do have double standards for kids where we're strict with them and lenient on ourselves the adults. Spoiler alert: that's kids' relationships with us all the time. Should we be doing that here? Maybe, maybe not. We ban snack foods in our house for kids but hide our chocolate; we scream at them while punishing them for screaming at us. Do as we say, not as we do.
Arguably, we should embrace this opportunity to teach children what community and teamwork means, and the value of communal sacrifice for the right thing and to protect the vulnerable. Protecting the vulnerable is one of the most basic values of the Torah: protect the widow, the orphan, the ger, said over and over again. The adults sure need some help understanding those ideas, and the government even more. This did not have to look like a chicken running around with its head cut off.
This argument is mindboggling. We could be learning from the experiences of other countries who've handled this much better rather than throwing our hands in the air and saying, "well, everyone's gotta die sometime, amirite?"
A case example from the perspective of the kids on the other side of your argument. Remember how I said above that we need to be thinking about the mental health of a child who may grow up thinking it's their "fault" their parent died or became one of the Covid long-haulers. My neighbor has cancer. She and her daughter both agree the 14yo needs the environment of school as a huge extrovert. They have balanced the risks based on the situation promised by the school. But her kid is being bullied for asking other kids to follow the rules because this kid doesn't want to bring Covid home to her mother. And some teachers aren't intervening with consistent mask removers. She's now the uptight tattle tale because she asked people to both wear a mask and stop standing so close to her, and she doesn't want to "pull the cancer card" on them. Why on *earth* is she being put in this situation and then being made to feel like she's a selfish jerk for caring about her mother's life?! I don't see anyone talking about the mental health of those kids. She is suffering, as I can attest to the near-daily conversations about this bullying. She has been put between a rock and a hard place. Where are the articles about those kids?
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DeleteAnd you have no reply to anything else? Not those kids' mental health? You only care about the mental health of the kids who would justify what you want to do? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?! has long been a cover for adults throwing tantrums about their own comfort. And you're getting your medical advice from a letter to the editor in the River Cities Reader, a monthly alternative magazine in IOWA?? The same kind of magazine I went to to locate edgy concerts when I was in college?? All sources are not equal, despite your assertion that "It is a common mistake to assume that expertise renders someone fit to make public policy decisions. The President of the United States is the commander in chief of our armed forces whether or not he has any military experience. The same is true here. Leadership entails soliciting input from various fields, evaluating the pros/cons/tradeoffs of potential options and rendering a decision that produces the best (or sometimes "least of all evils") risk/reward path forward."
DeleteIt is beyond reason to equate a President with no military experience to public health officials and epidemiologists. They already consult multiple fields. And even that President listens to the advice of their generals and advisors rather than going with their "gut." There's whole taskforces of experts collaborating to make the best suggestions they can with the information we have. As all things in life, we do the best we can with the resources we have. This is a brand-new illness, and claiming that any amount of uncertainty means nothing has any meaning is nihlist and downright illogical. This is gaslighting to ignore that this is exactly what public health officials have been doing, and they've been pretty unanimous worldwide, with very small differences. Who is dissenting? Political figures. Who fear reelection, not balancing pros and cons. Who are easily swayed by a loud minority of people who demand their freedom to die and to kill others and ignore science. Do you even realize that most of these conspiracy theories about Covid all go back to being a nefarious conspiracy by the Jews to take over the world? The Rothschilds, Soros, the New World Order, the blood libel of QAnon.
Would you allow a surgeon to operate on you without a mask or gloves? If not, why does it stop her germs but not the guy in the grocery store's? Have you also questioned why we're being asked to wash our hands for 20 seconds and not 10 seconds or 2 minutes? Why 6ft? Maybe it's 3ft. Maybe it's 15ft. Why masks? Because it's so easy to gauge whether someone is complying or not - it's written on your face. And now we live in an era of vice signaling, where people compete to one-up each other on their complete disregard for other people in the name of personal "freedom." But a person's freedom ends where another person's freedom begins. Libertarian everyone-for-themselves is not Jewish and is not in line with Torah values. It is an import from evangelical Christianity.
We daven for Hashem's help, but we still have to do our hishtadlus. You're advocating throwing our hands in the air and giving up, and you show a complete lack of understanding about how science learns in fits and starts. That's literally the scientific method. Maybe your yeshiva should have taught more science? The answer to the complaint that "adults aren't doing it even though they've been told to but we make the kids do it" isn't "therefore let's let the kids ignore it too."
There will eventually be books written of this period, how mass hysteria spreads, the causes of it, and how it is fueled. We will look back at it the same way we view other periodic bursts of irrational behavior. And the rush to close shuls and schools - against everything we have always heard of trust in God, sacrifice for Torah - will not be something to be proud of. We wont tell future generations of how we caved to the pressure and sent home the Tinokes Shel Beis Rabban, the same way we speak proudly today of children and teachers who risked real danger to keep teaching and learning. I assure you, in the Hasmonean revolt, there were plenty of ORTHODOX Jews (as we would call them today) who told Mattisyahu he was crazy, that the Greeks weren't so bad, that it was only temporary, that he should just do what the authorities said. Chanukah is still celebrated today precisely because he didn't listen to those voices.
ReplyDeleteWe can't undo those misguided decisions, but we can do our best to make sure the damage stops today. As always the case, we only need a few good men. So many people, like Gershon Distenfeld, know this, but do not control community institutions. So what we need now are leaders. School principals and Shul Rabbis to stand up and say "No! We will not give in to the madness. We will not drive our families away with irritational mask requirements. We wont stunt our children's growth just to placate the loud minority. We wont turn our teenagers off of Yiddishkeit by removing all the joy of Jewish life. We wont pretend that "zoom" is an acceptable replacement. We will return to normal life NOW, and we will stop the hemorrhaging today."
David Farkas
I put this article out to a group of young parents: these were their responses:
ReplyDeleteIt’s not my experience - our kids are having a shockingly normal day school experience. They barely notice the masks, report having all kinds of conversations with at school during lunch and otherwise. I really think the schools are doing an admirable job of mitigating risk while giving our kids the privilege of in-person teaching. I’m so grateful to SAR right now.
I think the two week quarantines are wise from a risk-benefit perspective. We need to be reasonable and not let this ruin our lives but you also can’t pretend it doesn’t exist. I really think most schools are threading that needle pretty well. I dont know what this guy would change
No time to read the full article now ( so this may not be totally on poin ;)) but speaking from someone who is currently quarantining for possibly no reason, I still think the schools are doing an amazing job and Keira is over the moon happy to go in person and is even excited to livestream into class which is worlds apart from the horror that was zoom last year. A two week quarantine here and there seems more than worth it if she can go to school and have real
social interaction- if you don’t take any precautions in person school just can’t work and they will be shut down. She couldn’t care less about the mask and the fact that she can come home and talk about new friends is a real testament to the schools and teachers that they are making this work. That being said, she is young and still pretty oblivious to all of this and I’m sure every school and circumstance is different, we have just been really lucky and I have been very impressed with how they have been having a pretty normal experience. I was also impressed With how both schools the kids go to handled our situation very thoughtfully and there wasn’t a quick here is the “one answer fits all approach.”
I couldn’t finish reading it. It’s so exaggerated. The kids are perfectly fine. Happy as can be. Life is full of rules for them I don’t they even notice that these new rules are so crazy. I’m sure there are a handful of kids with anxiety that this might be harder on but as a general rule I think they’re doing just fine
Agreed that schools are doing great. I don’t think this has anthrjng to do with that. He doesn’t follow his own point to its logical conclusion: that kids can get family sick. I think this is a guy who wants things to go back to normal so he can do kiddush club and is willing to put his head in the sand
I felt the same way as I was reading it. I was waiting for him to acknowledge that and when I realized he wasn’t I gave up on reading. Just dumb
Are these parents you spoke with actually in touch with their children? Most kids are not "perfectly happy" at all - how could they possibly? They cant stand the mask and take it off any chance they get. Many of them cant see the whiteboard properly behind the shields. Their classrooms are filthy because of eating lunch in the room. They cant hear their teachers because their voices are muffled. Gyms are being utilized for classrooms because of social distancing.
DeleteNeed I go on? Surviving isn't thriving. Of course they will survive, even prisoners survive. Seems to me either a) you made these responses up; b) you only spoke to a few like minded friends who all share the same opinion as you or c) they're just thankful they have any school at all and are willing to accept unacceptable conditions. The only other alternative is that they're not actually communicating with their own children.
I don't know what your "friends" could possibly be talking about. How do the kids make "new" friends if all they see all day are the 15 or so kids in their own "cohort?" What possible conversations can they have at lunch when they're eating at their desks behind plexiglass shields? I would ask my kid about it, but my kid hasn't been in school lately because the "cohort" is in the midst of a 14-day quarantine.
DeleteI couldn't agree more. My 2yo screams and screams when I try to buckle her into the car seat. It hurt my heart to see her so upset, so I watched a YouTube video that told me about the evil machinations of Big Carseat. She's much happier now that we're living with real Freedom(TM). She's so cute playing in the floorboard of the backseat, just like me when I was a kid! That car seat made it so hard for her to play and even harder to talk with her, especially because we faced in different directions. We had to yell to hear each other. Not anymore!
DeleteBut seriously. People wonder why their kids talk back to a teacher that the parents badmouth at home. Every year, I see notices going out to urge parents not to badmouth teachers or school rules in front of their kids. If your kids are *that* upset, then that's your fault. You're teaching them to disrespect and hate these measures. You have not taught them resiliency or creativity or community. "We wear our masks to take care of our neighbors" has been more than enough to convince my 4yo, and the 2yo too usually, though she likes to pull it off and throw it because 2yos love power struggles. Many older kids love power struggles and sticking it to the man too (as do many adults). (And yes of course there are exceptions like sensory disorders, but like the surge of false "allergies" to foods people don't like or think will make them fat, that harms people with real food allergies by making food service workers have a hard time taking "I'm allergic to gluten" seriously, it's not nearly as big a problem as presented.) It's not because she's being emotionally harmed by it. As for you Out of Rightfield, exactly how many "new" friends does your kid need?? 15 isn't enough? How horrible if they actually formed deep relationships with a smaller group of people than feeling lost in a large group of constantly rotating people. Like what do you think the shtetl was? You grew up with the same small group of people, and the kids exactly your age (something I criticize about American school systems, but that's a different argument) probably didn't number more than about 15. What exactly are you looking for here other than an excuse?
I must be hallucinating. The over 100 emails I have in my inbox from parents expressing agreement with what i wrote with many saying that a lot of their friends feel exactly the same way but are afraid to speak up must be my imagination.
DeleteWere any of those 100 emails from licensed medical professionals? I doubt it. They’re likely from the anti masking contingent of the 5 Towns. Please, after all these years, HUMBLE YOURSELF. The fact that you rambled without consulting a medical professional and asked people to share this piece so widely is irresponsible and dangerous. It’s led credence to the “let go and let God” mindset. You may have received 100 encouraging emails, but I’m seeing a mass of comments online from parents upset with your article and the potential havoc it can cause. I heard tonight that many have written to The Jewish Link to complain about having your articles published by the paper. I’ve heard for years about your “arrogance” but now it is actually putting lives in danger.
DeleteActually many were. And I spoke to many doctors over the last few weeks before publishing my piece. I know it’s hard for you to believe, but MANY doctors agree with most or all of the points I make in this piece. It might even be the majority of doctors in our community. And I’m not even counting the many mental health professionals who are not routinely consulted about all the damage this is doing to our children.
DeleteYou’d like us to dismiss the current conventional wisdom of the medical community bc of fear mongering, bc they need to weigh risks etc. Your trust has been diminished, yet you cite that psychologist PREDICT terrible consequences for how we are dealing with our children during this pandemic. Kinda funny!
ReplyDeleteOn another note, while you may paint a reasonable picture, it reminds me of an old halachic saying, the more you know the more dangerous it is! I’m loving all the lay people reading statistics and citing studies and then deciding the paths that should be taken. I’d love to remind all those sceptics that when they or loved ones need medical attention for a serious illness they consult and follow doctors orders. But somehow in these pandemic times, something our generation has never confronted, these sceptics decided they have the knowledge of how to deal with this best. Hashem Yishmor!
And finally, while we can never compare this to the Holocaust- let’s for only a minute imagine what the children of that generation faced for years. Didn’t get to have a play date?? We’re in 14 day quarantine??? If only!! Kept out of school???Those children survived far far worse. Let’s recognize that as parents we can help our kids through these rough times. No one wants this. But YES, better safe than sorry!
Brilliant. "We made it through Auschwitz once, so let's do it again." That's the type of "thinking" the maskers believe in.
DeleteThanks for recognizing that us maskers are able to learn from our past or we may be doomed to repeat tragedies. You obviously lost the point-so I’ll say it simply. Kids are resilient. Faced with horrific times they survived and were able to build beautiful families. Our kids are facing something we’ve never encountered. But how lucky are we that we have zoom, FaceTime, WhatsApp video calls and so much more? It’s hard on all of us. But with our positive attitudes and attention we give our kids, we will weather this storm!
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ReplyDeleteIf anyone saw that ridiculous letter from a bunch of doctors before yomtov [though a bunch more refused to sign it] here's a pretty funny response I saw:
ReplyDeleteInspired by the recent pronouncement of doctors in our community darkly warning us of the dire threats posed by Covid (because we had never heard of it earlier) and impressed that podiatrists, dentists, and plastic surgeons would courageously weigh in on issues they know absolutely nothing about, we, the undersigned attorneys, have resolved to do the same. We too, like our medical brethren, want to stay in the spotlight. We too, like our medical colleagues, are blessed with no shortage of self-importantance. And we too enjoy the feeling of power and importance brought about by signing a "public letter", regardless of how pointless and self-righteous it may be.
Accordingly, be it known by those present, that the undersigned counsel also do not want Grandma to die, or her goldfish, and therefore similarly urge members of the community to take those precautions already proven to be a failure and keep doing them forever, until WE - the important people, as distinct from you people - tell you otherwise.
Signed,
Kalman Applebaum, attorney for Indian Affairs
Moshe Shwartzbaum, Mergers and Acquisitions
Yael Hirsch, Intellectual Property
David Mendelkorn, Admiralty
Zev Dov Morgenstern, Railway Labor Act
Norman Gold, Sports and Entertainment
Aviv Ohayon, Aviation
Daniel Grossberg, Endangered Species Act
Yechezkel ("Chip") Hertzko, Tax
Hoping you’ll be referred to your cohorts, fellow lawyers, when you need medical attention!!
DeleteWe need cancel culture. We need to cancel Louis Farrakhan and David Duke. We need to cancel Peter Duesberg and Andew Wakefield. And we need to cancel uniformed anti-science essays.
ReplyDeleteOh, and pikuach nefesh overrides lashan hara.
Is the version that is going in as a paid advertisement going to be this one, or the one that the rabbis ACTUALLY responded to? The one that accuses the community of child abuse?
ReplyDeleteEven if some of your points (such as overreacting to specific instances) are valid, your blog, social media and the Link are extraordinarily inappropriate forums for a Rabbi and school leader to use to promote your views or have a discussion. The proper forums would by with other school principals and/or the RCBC. You have the right to your opinions but you are not a private citizen. As a community leader, your words have consequences beyond your own understanding and could easily be interpreted to sanction extremely risky conduct. Your article echos the irresponsible words of the President who says that since he is smart, smarter than all his advisors, we can discourage mask use and make other false and misleading statements (people have died as a result). There were times when my job (working for an elected official) meant I could not go public with strongly held opinions on public matters. Make your arguments to your colleagues in private. Persuade them or accept that sometimes we have to work together as a community and that means doing things we would otherwise not do.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree. The proper forum was the newspaper, but the paper didn't print it. Hence, the proper forum becomes right here. You seem to have preferred that this point of view would have been suppressed. That's not the way we do things.
DeleteThe rest of your comment is simple politics, and underscores nicely that this is an entirely politically driven process. And its fine for you not to support the President, the whole point is that we shouldn't be sacrificing our children, to mention ourselves, because of politics.
David Farkas
The paper refused to print an earlier draft which has some other things in it. Presenting THIS version as the one which the paper chose not to print is dishonest.
DeleteThe first line said that what was sent to the paper was "an early draft", not this version. And its a moot point anyway, b/c whether the paper was right or wrong not to print, it didn't print it. Unless and until we start requiring rebuttal arguments in shul, a forum like this is as good as any to have a discussion.
DeleteAnonthemouth: What you are saying factually incorrect. The paper AGREED to print my first draft. The refused my final draft after pressure from Rabbis and educators. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but not to create your own facts.
DeleteYou can claim what you want. My sources say you are lying. Go figure...
DeleteUndisputed fact is the paper did in fact print this in exchange for payment!! Prostitutes, perhaps???
Delete35k die a year in cars, vs 200k+ from COVID in 7 months. Annualized, that 350k deaths from COVID which have been trying our best to avoid for most of the time, compared to 35k deaths from cars which we use to travel everywhere freely. A comparable analogy would be - imagine people only used cars to travel to grocery stores, and still 350k died each year in cars. What would happen if people started driving everywhere - we would likely have over a million deaths, and we're not talking about an infectious disease that likes to spread exponentially. Would you think 1mm annual deaths from cars is just part of life or would you start to consider the risk involved?
ReplyDeletePlease take the time and watch this fascinating interview with Rabbi Dovid Smith (Rabbi and lawyer, and studied molecular biology, virology and infectious diseases at the University of California at Berkeley).Thank you.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.facebook.com/stephanie.locricchio/videos/10222400250570383
We have to be very careful. There is a slippery slope that we are on. See what is happening in Australia:
ReplyDeleteAustralian police can kidnap people for medical reasons and remove anything “including underwear” to forcefully administer vaccines
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-state-law-empowers-officials-to-forcibly-remove-underwear-to-administer-vaccine
Look what happened in Israel:
https://www.facebook.com/weact.live/videos/2793560994221431
Look what happened to a pregnant woman in Australia:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=397212244594235
"Next to the very young, I suppose the very old are the most selfish"
ReplyDelete- William Makepeace Thackeray
One of the great problems of our country generally, and of this period specifically, is the voting bloc of the Baby Boomers, all of whom are now in their 70s and 80s. As a result of their numbers, they have too large an influence in public affairs. We all respect the elderly, but the elderly are selfish, as Thackeray noted. The Halacha recognizes this, and does not allow old men to be on the Sanhedrin because, in the words of the Talmud, "they have forgotten the pain of raising children."
Just so. The elderly are either retired or on the verge of retirement, and do not have children at home. They don't have to experience the pain of seeing kids with masks covering their smiles, teenagers wasting away at home, or parents driving themselves to exhaustion juggling zoom or carpool or trying to keep up with endless emails and instructions. The elderly think of themselves only. I don't blame them for this, its part of the natural order of things. But selfishness it is, let it at last be said. They want the world to stop for them, so that they can be safe, and to hell with everybody else.
It can no longer be this way. We are sacrificing our future for very questionable claims about the past. Let the elderly stay home, indeed, they SHOULD stay home. They are the only ones with any true degree of risk, prudence makes sense for them to stay home. For them it is not so difficult. But the rest of the world can and must proceed as normal. Shuls can no longer be held hostage to the needs of the few elderly members. We can no longer have the young and middle aged stifled in these ridiculous masks - if they even bother to come at all - just so that a few others will feel comfortable. Lest someone attempt to argue "but what about respecting the elderly?", the answer is that respect is a part of the framework, not the totality of it. As the Halacha above recognized, we don't put elders on the Court, despite the respect afforded them, because people have lives to lead, and need the guidance of people in the same sphere as them. It's not the elderly that are affected by this, its the middle aged. They, and no other, are the only ones who should be speaking on this topic.
David Farkas
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7323223/
ReplyDeleteJ Paediatr Child Health. 2020 Jun; 56(6): 976–977.
Published online 2020 Jun 16. doi: 10.1111/jpc.14936
Do facemasks protect against COVID‐19?
Respiratory viruses like coronaviruses and influenza infect us through inhaling droplets or by touching contaminated surfaces then rubbing our nose, mouth or eyes. Virus can spread further in an aerosol if an infected patient is subjected to an aerosol‐generating procedure such as a nebuliser or mechanical ventilation.
There are two major classes of facemask: medical/surgical masks are loose‐fitting, disposable masks that filter out droplets, while tight‐fitting N95 or P2 respirator masks are designed to be more effective filters of airborne particles. N95/P2 masks are more expensive. Both surgical and N95 masks may become a scarce resource.
Evidence on the efficacy of masks is confounded by whether or not they are being used in a pandemic; whether by health‐care workers or the public, and by the concomitant use of hand‐washing, social distancing and other personal protective equipment.
A meta‐analysis of randomised controlled trials of pre‐COVID‐19 showed that surgical masks or N95 respirators reduced clinical respiratory illness in health‐care workers by 41% and influenza‐like illness by 66%: they work but are far from perfect. 1 N95 masks were not statistically better than surgical masks in preventing proven influenza, 2 nor in preventing COVID‐19, although the latter is based on weak data. 3 N95 masks are more efficient filters of small particles, but these findings suggest it is reasonable to recommend that health‐care workers use surgical masks when there is risk of droplet spread and reserve precious N95 masks for health‐care workers performing aerosol‐generating procedures.
Some health‐care and ancillary hospital staff have mooted wearing surgical facemasks all the time even when asymptomatic to protect themselves and patients. 4 However, given the current low and declining transmission within the Australian community, the risk of a health worker inadvertently catching or spreading the infection if not wearing a mask is very low. Symptomatic health‐care workers should not return to work until they have been tested and found to be negative for COVID‐19.
CONTINUED in next posting..
The public might wear masks to avoid infection or to protect others. During the 2009 pandemic of H1N1 influenza (swine flu), encouraging the public to wash their hands reduced the incidence of infection significantly whereas wearing facemasks did not. 5 There is no good evidence that facemasks protect the public against infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID‐19. 6
ReplyDeleteHowever, absence of proof of an effect is not the same as proof of absence of an effect. During the pandemics caused by swine flu and by the coronaviruses which caused SARS and MERS, many people in Asia and elsewhere walked around wearing surgical or homemade cotton masks to protect themselves. One danger of doing this is the illusion of protection. Surgical facemasks are designed to be discarded after single use. As they become moist they become porous and no longer protect. Indeed, experiments have shown that surgical and cotton masks do not trap the SARS‐CoV‐2 (COVID‐19) virus, which can be detected on the outer surface of the masks for up to 7 days. 7 , 8 Thus, a pre‐symptomatic or mildly infected person wearing a facemask for hours without changing it and without washing hands every time they touched the mask could paradoxically increase the risk of infecting others. Because the USA is in a desperate situation, their Centers for Disease Control has recommended the public wear homemade cloth masks. This was essentially done in an effort to try and reduce community transmission, especially from people who may not perceive themselves to be symptomatic, rather than to protect the wearer, although the evidence for this is scant. In contrast, the World Health Organization currently recommends against the public routinely wearing facemasks.
In Australia and New Zealand currently, the questionable benefits arguably do not justify health‐care staff wearing surgical masks when treating low‐risk patients and may impede the normal caring relationship between patients, parents and staff. We counsel against such practice, at least at present.
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https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-30/largest-covid-19-transmission-study-highlights-super-spreaders
ReplyDeleteAs the author suggests, we should rely on empirical data. Here are some conclusions from the largest and most recent study of transmission:
"The study also found that although children younger than 17 were the least likely to die of COVID-19, they transmitted the virus at rates similar to the rest of the population, underscoring the idea that the disease doesn’t spare young people. One data point in particular holds implications for reopening schools: Children ages 5 to 17 passed the virus to 18% of close contacts their own age."
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"It also suggests that children are more efficient transmitters of the virus than widely believed."
I'm a board-certified pediatrician and ICU doctor in New York, and a parent in Bergen County.
ReplyDeleteYou have very good questions about COVID and children, and they should be asked.
However, you are not a person with the expertise, background, or professional standing to answer them, unless you are a public health expert or at least someone with medical training and experience taking care of COVID patients.
You are therefore not in a position to use medical literature to defend your opinions, because you have not been trained to interpret medical and scientific data (please correct me if I am wrong.)
That means that while you may have justifiable concerns and questions, your opinion as to how a pandemic of this magnitude should be handled carries no weight.
Your concerns about children are laudable, but it's unclear to me why you are pointing the finger at those tasked with protecting them, and who are doing just that, to the best of their ability, with the best advice and guidelines available, since the science on COVID is incomplete, perforce.
I would wholly support efforts to help our children adjust to our new reality, as it will be here for years to come.
However, my impression is that most children are adjusting much more successfully than their parents - which makes sense. They are more resilient by nature, and their resilience is more likely to crack when ours does. We model it for them.
What pains me, and so many of us in health care, is that we are blamed for the consequences of irresponsible behavior of others.
Masks save lives, but people don't want to wear them.
Keeping distant so as not to spread the virus saves lives, but people want to dance together and go to shul.
I want to be able to travel, to host my parents without fear of infecting them.
But I cannot.
Because I, and my colleagues, spent March and April taking care of people who have been permanently disabled or killed by this virus.
And then we spent May and June taking care of children with a novel inflammatory syndrome caused by the virus.
And now we are gearing up for a second wave that has begun in Jewish communities in the Metro area because people simply don't want to give up their freedoms and their conveniences.
I am certain that if, God forbid, you or your family needed medical care, you would want the health care workers to take every precaution and look under every rock for a cure.
Yet somehow, you seem to be suggesting that we do the exact opposite here, ignore the evidence in front us, and put our families, community, and country at risk.
You are advocating a misinformed approach that would contribute to prolonging this pandemic and worsen the chilul Hashem that is growing in New York.
Please focus instead on ways to help our community with your own talents and strengths.
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DeleteCan you please explain why hydroxy, zinc and azithromycin is not being recommended by some doctors at the beginning of this illness?
Deletehttps://c19study.com (studies on this protocol)
Three doctors wrote a letter to Dr. Fauci about the hydroxy protocol:
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/doctors-pen-open-letter-fauci-regarding-use-hydroxychloroquine-treating-covid-19?fbclid=IwAR1B_wGz3iaeUm8iUfCEWj9n0Zj3EZBqOCTaQfqEx55kFPhW25QH7a-saxQ
https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/speakers/
Indoor sessions: https://americasfrontlinedoctorsummit.com/sessions/
INTERVIEW with Dr. Simone Gold (one of the doctors who came to Washington, DC) : https://www.bitchute.com/video/Lcy5OGrdIIHQ/
Other doctors who have used the protocol:
*Dr. Lisa Koche https://www.bitchute.com/video/mQeF6z95ZSJP/
*Dr. George Fareed https://www.bitchute.com/video/4fQhB5AXM2gu/?fbclid=IwAR0ixMAG0wMBssmOfqE-YeONE7svv7WYyen5aGlH_aj9Cu4r0OzqgZBhaYk
*Dr. Anthony Cardillo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc
*Dr. Zev Zelenko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz4Nc967ZVo
* Dr. Harvey Risch https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hydroxychloroquine-works-in-high-risk-patients-and-saying-otherwise-is-dangerous?fbclid=IwAR0_3En_pzMssSTRxpxvTk9is6o_i6oorGT9ejDBZWkrVeq2lSOshZ7MT-0
ANY STUDIES THAT SHOWED HYDROXY IS UNSAFE OR USELESS either gave a lethal dose of hydroxy, or did not use zinc, or was given to late in the course of the illness.
THIS SHOULD BE PUBLISHED!!! Very well said!!👏
DeleteEmes, unfortunately, none of your sources are peer-reviewed scientific publications, which is the minimum standard for credible, validated medical and scientific information.
DeleteHi Moshe ... you say that those without the appropriate credentials aren't qualified to have opinions. That leaves us with another important question to answer ... what exactly, are the right credentials?
DeleteWhen you treat someone in the ER my dear Moshe, you only effect the person you are attending to. And, indeed, any of us would be grateful to have someone of your expertise taking care of us.
What we have here though, Moshe, is a quite different situation. The rules being promulgated by medical professionals effect everyone in various ways. Medical professionals have no particular expertise in raising children, fighting alcoholism, dealing with depression, making a living, and social isolation, etc ...
Indeed, we all have some expertise to bring to bear. A pandemic is quite unlike treating individual patients.
Us, less credentialed, folks deserve a little more credit. We all understand, pretty much on the same level as you do, that social distancing, in all its forms, will reduce the frequency of illness. It doesn't take an MD or PhD to understand this.
All of our opinions have value. Pompous attitudes only make matters worse and breed resistance.
Come to think of it, using your logic, perhaps the opinions of all men should be discounted because they're not mothers. After all, as we all know, mothers are most in tune with the mental and physical well being of their children.
There are doctors on the other side of this issue: https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/07/13/many-medical-experts-were-against-lockdowns-the-media-just-didnt-want-us-know/?fbclid=IwAR1Kud6jXTuhTvVH9rKkWEj6sl1q6vqhcE9sJ6mCWkuwAtIt3mtG1SMhl_E
ReplyDeleteAs in my longer comment to Gershon, you have good questions.
DeleteThose questions have been answered by Dr. Fauci and by several high-quality research studies showing that HCQ is not effective. That's the best data we have.
For example, we have good data that shows steroids are effective. Why didn't you mention that?
To be fair, I wouldn't expect you to know these things, unless you are a health care workers taking care of COVID patients or doing COVID research. I do both of those things.
The media reports on things that will get readership, not necessarily the most accurate medical information.
The doctors who are on the "other side" of this issue have largely been discredited, which you might not know if you are getting inaccurae medical information from political websites.
I am always happy to discuss the evidence-based medical realities about COVID with people.
I give talks to my shul, my community, local schools.
Sadly, this has been made into a political issue, and that has cost many lives.
The linchpin of your comment is that "masks save lives", and that simply isn't true. Also, you say you are a pediatrician, and yet you also claim to have personally "spent March and April taking care of people who have been permanently disabled or killed by this virus." Both claims cannot possibly be true, as there are have been no children killed or permanently disabled by the virus, certainly not enough to spend two months on. And since when does being a pediatrician confer upon you any special expertise in an airborne virus that even expert infectious disease experts do not understand? Does a personal injury lawyer opine on complex corporate merger? If its not your field, you've got no more standing than anyone else.
DeleteMoshe, you end by lamenting that this is a political issue. Well, of course - that's the whole problem, isn't it? You have your politics and others have theirs. The shortest route to losing credibility is for one to claim himself above politics.
Good Shabbos and Good Yomtov
David Farkas
Moshe, did you see my posting that included a link to the world-wide hydroxy studies, and all the doctors that are using it with success? Did you read the letter to Dr. Fauci that I posted? Do you know of ONE study that showed this protocol was unsafe or did not help that was not in one of these three categories: zinc was not given, the hydroxy was given in lethal doses, it was given too late in the course of the disease? Thank you.
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DeletePlease look at my first paragraph.
I am a pediatrician, and an ICU doctor.
All ICU doctors in NYC took care of these patients.
Happy to share my credentials offline.
Not sure why I am being accused of lying about my experience and expertise.
Masks save lives because we have studied them and there is scientific evidence.
I do not raise myself above politics. I follow the science. As do our poskim and school leadership.
Unfortunately, you choose not to, because it's more convenient and fits with what you want to believe.
By all means, show me evidence to back up your beliefs. Gershon has not. Your comments and his are based in fear and anecdotes.
The worst part of all of this is that Orthodox Jews are choosing their personal desires over straightforward issues of pikuach nefesh.
Are there mental health consequences? Absolutely. And we should prioritize those as well. These issues on not mutually exclusive.
Is it so hard to wear a mask? Children seem fine with it. In fact, they are motivated to do so when it's explained to them that by doing so they can save lives.
As far as I understand, even if you were unsure about masks, that would make it a safek pikuach nefesh. Ask your Rav about what our obligations are in that case.
Halevai we were as careful with this as we are with kashrus and Shabbos.
I hope your beliefs don't influence your actions and put family and friends in danger.
Please point to where I wrote in my piece that we shouldn’t wear masks?
DeleteI never said you did.
DeleteI was making a statement about masks and physical distancing, both of which are simple things we can do to protect each other.
When we fail to do thee things, the virus spreads.
Children can and do spread it.
That is a scientific fact.
When we continue to fail, more severe actions, such as lockdowns and school closures will happen, because there are just too many variables.
I can see how pained you are by the state of things.
But the alternatives you suggest are not backed by science, and may actually put people in harm's way.
You have made very serious accusations against the entire medical, rabbinical, and educational communities.
As I said above, you have important questions and concerns about children in the pandemic.
I would be happy to speak with you to discuss them.
Thank you so much for posting this article. It really resonates with us and needs to be spoken about.
ReplyDeleteI wanted to share with you a very upsetting and concerning story that my son shared with us.
His class was quarantined due to one child having symptoms and then testing positive.
The child was not even in school since Earlier in the week, but on Friday we received a frantic email that the children must be picked up ASAP and they will be held in isolation until someone can come get them.
They continued with school on zoom and during a break my son’s friend confided in him and other friends that because he’s in “quarantine” his parents are making him stay in his bedroom and the only time he can come out his bedroom is when no one is home.
If he wants to come out he has to wear a mask and that he communicates with them to post-it notes sometimes through the door and when he’s ready for dinner it is brought to his bedroom and he has to eat dinner alone in his bedroom.
Obviously he was trying to make it OK and told my son that he really doesn’t mind because he gets to read books in his room uninterrupted.
He said that this is a “secret” and then he shouldn’t tell anyone. Sadly one other boy agreed that he also hast to wear a mask anytime you leave his bedroom despite having no symptoms at all.
All I can say is Thank Gd my son knows enough to come to us right away because he knew in his heart that this was inherently wrong to do to a child.
We are very worried about his friend I don’t know who to even contact about this. This is Not proper treatment of a child.
We are so heartbroken about this and trying to figure out who to approach and what to do about this because we are hearing that apparently this is common practice to do to children in quarantine- even if they are displaying no symptoms and not sick at all but just because one person in their class tested positive.
I am literally sick to my stomach about this. I had trouble sleeping at night and I have been thinking about who to contact. I really wish I could just offer for this child to come stay with us because this is Inherently wrong. Why aren’t more people concerned about the long-term ramifications of treating children like this. Their mental health is so crucial at this point.
I’m so tired of hearing the children are “ resilience quote. I have a license and masters in mental health field. And what I can tell you is that children are resilient in the moment. But that’s because they have to be. That’s a survival mechanism. That does not mean that they will be OK in 10 2030 or even 50 years.
Level of hypochondria OCD, anxiety and germphobia that has been displayed by the generation of children is horrifying and something needs to be done.
Your story is powerful, but it is the story of a single child. It is important that we do our best to protect the mental health and stability of our children during this time, but we should be doing that while being as careful as possible to not cause more illness and death in the process.
DeleteYou're right, we don't know how our children will turn out in 10, 20, or 50 years. How will they turn out growing up in a world where the country they grew up in has the highest number of deaths in a pandemic, and they read about their parents complaining about quarantine rather than sending the example of staying as safe as possible in order to end the pandemic as soon as possible?
It is far from a single story. I have dozens in my inbox. I have also spoken to several psychologists and psychiatrists. They all say the same thing. Child anxiety and depression is through the roof. I' just got an e-mail from someone last night who works at an inpatient psychiatric hospital. She writes "acuity is through the roof. This is the next pandemic. It's amazing yet cruel to see this ignored by our leaders"
DeletePerhaps someone else in the home has cancer and is on chemotherapy. or a transplant recipient. Or cares for an elderly grandparent. their medical condition is none of your business. Pikuach nefesh is the highest Jewish value.
Deletehttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/01/919237103/kids-and-superspreaders-are-driving-covid-19-cases-in-india-huge-study-finds?fbclid=IwAR2xp-oVOxlHFWGdvaYcaJjAAuuVtl7L0nc2_lRtSPZTLzGk4K0JzQbWhwU
ReplyDeleteSomeone has accused me of deleting comments. I have done no such thing. Someone who posts a comment is allowed to delete their own comment in which case it will say "This comment has been removed by the author." The only time I will delete a comment is if profanity is used or their is a personal attack. otherwise, a free exchange of ideas is welcome. That was the underlying purpose of me publishing this in the first place. This issue has been almost entirely one sided from day 1.
ReplyDeleteKudos to you (whatever "kudos" are) for posting. The Internet has taught the world that what you see in newspapers does not actually represent public opinion, and that much of what is passed off as "fact" isn't, in fact, true at all. What we are seeing from one part of our community is a microcosm of the world today generally. False information, attempts to stifle dissent, cancel culture, informers. They should hang their heads in shame.
DeleteDavid Farkas
Who exactly is censoring you? Isn't this article in the Jewish Link?
ReplyDeleteI paid for a full page ad to have it in the paper.
DeleteI still don't understand who is censoring you. The schools for putting out a point of view that differs with yours? The newspaper for not publishing a full page oped without payment? Which people are preventing you from expressing your opinions in places you are entitled to do so?
DeleteFrom an epidemiological standpoint, it sounds like your reading of medical research + your reported conversations with mental health experts vs. the combined expertise of those on the medical boards making recommendations.
ReplyDeleteSome people have commented here saying you don't have the right expertise to extrapolate properly form medical journals, and you certainly haven't provided any statistical proof for the mental health issues that you are predicting (this is not to accuse you of fabricating conversations, disparage the expertise of those with whom you have spoken or to say I think these issues aren't real).
Just curious about your response to this. Do you think you have enough expertise to extrapolate from journals? Do you think that such expertise is not needed as long as one has decent reading comprehension skills? Do you think that those on these medical advisory board are exaggerated the risk or lying or that they don't have the expertise to which you have or are privy? From where (other than your own reading of journals) do you derive such confidence in your opinions?
I think it’s silly to make a “credentialism” argument when so many doctors and scientists around the world with incredible credentials agree with everything Distenfeld is saying. But if you do in fact want go the credentialism route, it should be noted that these yeshiva medical committees are being run by people who are the very bottom of the credentials totem pole. Some didn’t even get into U.S. med schools and some of these medical doctors don’t even have MD degrees at all (instead they have DOs). They might be competent practitioners, but their actual degrees don’t exactly indicate high proficiency in reading comprehension.
DeleteI agree that credentialism (great word, btw, if you invented it) would be silly had Gershon claimed that there are legitimate arguments to be made on both sides. However, to argue that the research and scientific literature overwhelmingly support one side requires legit credentials. So I'll start with the assumption that both sides are equally competent at reading scientific literature, while acknowledging the possibility (as some have claimed) that a medical board (whether infectious disease experts or not) had more expertise than an intelligent layman.
DeleteHence my question as to how Gershon can be so supremely confident to claim that a) the decisions being made are unquestionably going to damage the mental health of our youth on a large scale (which my gut tells me is likely true) and that b) we are ignoring this damage to support a position that is contradicted by the current research?
I don't deny the possibility Gershon might be correct (I personally don't feel confident in my understanding of the science to take a side). I also agree with him that in general, and regarding COVID, the mental-health of the average citizen is not enough of a communal priority. I just think it's important for those reading this post to have transparency as to the source of the author's confidence (and I could probably make a case that he owes it to the readers beyond simply linking a few studies).
https://docs4opendebate.be/en/
ReplyDeleteOpen letter from medical doctors and health professionals to all Belgian authorities and all Belgian media
We, Belgian doctors and health professionals, would like to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in recent months surrounding the outbreak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. We call on politicians to be independently and critically informed in the decision-making process and in the compulsory implementation of corona-measures. We ask for an open debate, where all experts are represented without any form of censorship. After the initial panic surrounding covid-19, the objective facts now show a completely different picture – there is no medical justification for any emergency policy anymore. The current crisis management has become totally disproportionate and causes more damage than it does any good. We call for an end to all measures and ask for an immediate restoration of our normal democratic governance and legal structures and of all our civil liberties.
https://acu2020.org/english-versions/
ReplyDeletehttps://ahrp.org/what-kind-of-a-country-have-we-become/
ReplyDeleteThis is not a deadly disease for most people, and for those who begin to have symptoms there is a treatment - hydroxy, zinc and azithromycin - that is successful in many cases. Plus there are other treatments being used now that were not used at the beginning of this pandemic. Plus there are preventatives to take - how many people reading this are taking vitamin D and vitamin C and zinc? How many people are trying to lose weight bec being obese is a risk factor? Masks are not the entire answer - taking care of one's health status is equally important, and of course davening to Hashem is most important.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/White-Paper-on-HCQ-2020.2.pdf
https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/study-vitamins-c-d-may-help-immune-system-fight-covid-19
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vitamin-d-can-help-reduce-covid19-risks
I know nothing about journalism or about Covid, So I'll not comment on either. I do certainly question why, if the Jewish Link. bowed to pressure and thought it best not to print your op-ed, how does their accepting money to print it make it less objectionable?
ReplyDeleteA paid advertisement I is different than an op-ed. I read the Post. There are ads for gentlemen's clubs. There are no op-ed or news articles about them.
DeleteWill we ever get some sort of vaccine and attempt to resume life?
ReplyDeletehttps://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#34c2c0465247
ReplyDeleteCovid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed
By William Haseltine (Haseltine was a professor at Harvard Medical School where he founded two research departments on cancer and HIV/AIDS)
Excerpts:
Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines. In fact, their endpoints all require confirmed infections and all those they will include in the analysis for success, the only difference being the severity of symptoms between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Measuring differences amongst only those infected by SARS-CoV-2 underscores the implicit conclusion that the vaccines are not expected to prevent infection, only modify symptoms of those infected….
We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache….
These protocols do not emphasize the most important ramifications of Covid-19 that people are most interested in preventing: overall infection, hospitalization, and death. It boggles the mind and defies common sense that the National Institute of Health, the Center for Disease Control, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and the rest would consider the approval of a vaccine that would be distributed to hundreds of millions on such slender threads of success.
I really appreciate your support on this.
ReplyDeleteLook forward to hearing from you soon.
I’m happy to answer your questions, if you have any.
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ReplyDeleteMany thanks for your kind invitation. I’ll join you.
ReplyDeleteWould you like to play cards?
Come to the party with me, please.
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